Some good news from South London: Road deaths outnumber gun and knife murders

[5,999,999]

ONE in seven crashes in Southwark is a hit-and-run, figures have
revealed. Campaigners now want bobbies on the beat to patrol roads to
catch uninsured drivers. It comes after Southwark was revealed to be
in the top 10 per cent of boroughs in the country for illegal
drivers.

London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
crime that seasoned criminals commit, so I think cops should be
monitoring traffic as part of their neighbourhood patrols." In
Walworth and Elephant & Castle 17.6 per cent of drivers are uninsured
- three and a half times the national average of five per cent. In
Camberwell it is 19.2 per cent. According to the Motor Insurers Bureau
the high number of uninsured drivers means that drivers in Camberwell
are paying an extra £30 on their insurance. In neighbouring Brixton
and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.

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[Hooch]

On 7 Feb 2007 00:53:00 -0800, "5,999,999"

Post by 5,999,999
ONE in seven crashes in Southwark is a hit-and-run, figures have
revealed. Campaigners now want bobbies on the beat to patrol roads to
catch uninsured drivers. It comes after Southwark was revealed to be
in the top 10 per cent of boroughs in the country for illegal
drivers.
London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
crime that seasoned criminals commit, so I think cops should be
monitoring traffic as part of their neighbourhood patrols." In
Walworth and Elephant & Castle 17.6 per cent of drivers are uninsured
- three and a half times the national average of five per cent. In
Camberwell it is 19.2 per cent. According to the Motor Insurers Bureau
the high number of uninsured drivers means that drivers in Camberwell
are paying an extra £30 on their insurance. In neighbouring Brixton
and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
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For "South London", "Southwark", "Walworth" etc read "ethnically
diverse".

[The Reid]

Post by Hooch
For "South London", "Southwark", "Walworth" etc read "ethnically
diverse".

Honesty is best. its a black west Indian problem. Rap music cant be
helping.

[Hooch]

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch
For "South London", "Southwark", "Walworth" etc read "ethnically
diverse".

Honesty is best. its a black west Indian problem. Rap music cant be
helping.

Nor can the drugs and all the other things that fuck their 'minds' up.

[The Reid]

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
Honesty is best. its a black west Indian problem. Rap music cant be
helping.

Nor can the drugs and all the other things that fuck their 'minds' up.

thanks for putting minds in quotes, saves me reading your garbage
further.

[Hooch]

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
Honesty is best. its a black west Indian problem. Rap music cant be
helping.

Nor can the drugs and all the other things that fuck their 'minds' up.

thanks for putting minds in quotes, saves me reading your garbage
further.

You're welcome, pussy. With people like you it's no wonder the
ethnically challenged bastards are out of control.

[McKev]

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
Honesty is best. its a black west Indian problem. Rap music cant be
helping.

Nor can the drugs and all the other things that fuck their 'minds' up.

thanks for putting minds in quotes, saves me reading your garbage
further.

You're welcome, pussy. With people like you it's no wonder the
ethnically challenged bastards are out of control.

Heres something I saw at the weekend written on a toilet wall in Spalding
word for word;

"Vote the BNP into government

Get out of the Human Rights Act

Stop immigration."

To the right of this was an arrow and the following text;

"By a man who USED [underlined] to be English and proud"

McK.

[The Reid]

Post by McKev
"Vote the BNP into government
Get out of the Human Rights Act
Stop immigration."
To the right of this was an arrow and the following text;
"By a man who USED [underlined] to be English and proud"

sad, innit.

[Nel]

Post by The Reid

Post by McKev
"Vote the BNP into government
Get out of the Human Rights Act
Stop immigration."
To the right of this was an arrow and the following text;
"By a man who USED [underlined] to be English and proud"

sad, innit.

Yep, it really is sad that the country has got into such a state.......

[Hooch]

Post by McKev

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
Honesty is best. its a black west Indian problem. Rap music cant be
helping.

Nor can the drugs and all the other things that fuck their 'minds' up.

thanks for putting minds in quotes, saves me reading your garbage
further.

You're welcome, pussy. With people like you it's no wonder the
ethnically challenged bastards are out of control.

Heres something I saw at the weekend written on a toilet wall in Spalding
word for word;
"Vote the BNP into government
Get out of the Human Rights Act
Stop immigration."
To the right of this was an arrow and the following text;
"By a man who USED [underlined] to be English and proud"
McK.

What they say about the country going to shit is basically true.

[Jon°]

For "ethnically diverse" read black and browns'.
"Hooch" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message

[The Reid]

Post by Jon°
For "ethnically diverse" read black and browns'.

wrong, that's cheap racism, it is however a problem of the west Indian
community.

[Hooch]

Post by The Reid

Post by Jon°
For "ethnically diverse" read black and browns'.

wrong, that's cheap racism, it is however a problem of the west Indian
community.

Another (politically correct) way of saying exactly the same thing.

[The Reid]

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
wrong, that's cheap racism, it is however a problem of the west Indian
community.

Another (politically correct) way of saying exactly the same thing.

rubbish, ones a general slur on non whites, one is a realistic comment
on which community has a problem, if you think I'm PC, you haven't a
clue.
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

[Hooch]

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
wrong, that's cheap racism, it is however a problem of the west Indian
community.

Another (politically correct) way of saying exactly the same thing.

rubbish, ones a general slur on non whites, one is a realistic comment
on which community has a problem, if you think I'm PC, you haven't a
clue.
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

You sound like a liberal to me. I believe in calling a spade a
spade. And the fact that these South London spades don't believe in
insuring their cars puts up premiums for us white people.

[David R]

Post by Hooch
You sound like a liberal to me.

Seems better to me than yourself sounding like an unemployed fucktard.

[Hooch]

Post by David R

Post by Hooch
You sound like a liberal to me.

Seems better to me than yourself sounding like an unemployed fucktard.

Oh look. Another nigger lover.

[McKev]

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
wrong, that's cheap racism, it is however a problem of the west Indian
community.

Another (politically correct) way of saying exactly the same thing.

rubbish, ones a general slur on non whites, one is a realistic comment
on which community has a problem, if you think I'm PC, you haven't a
clue.
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

You sound like a liberal to me. I believe in calling a spade a
spade. And the fact that these South London spades don't believe in
insuring their cars puts up premiums for us white people.

Youre a man of my own sentiment :)

McK.

[Hooch]

Post by McKev

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
wrong, that's cheap racism, it is however a problem of the west Indian
community.

Another (politically correct) way of saying exactly the same thing.

rubbish, ones a general slur on non whites, one is a realistic comment
on which community has a problem, if you think I'm PC, you haven't a
clue.
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

You sound like a liberal to me. I believe in calling a spade a
spade. And the fact that these South London spades don't believe in
insuring their cars puts up premiums for us white people.

Youre a man of my own sentiment :)
McK.

Excellent!

[The Reid]

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

You sound like a liberal to me.

I probably do to you

Post by Hooch
I believe in calling a spade a
spade.

so do I.

Post by Hooch
And the fact that these South London spades don't believe in
insuring their cars puts up premiums for us white people.

No doubt you think the very obvious "spade" usage clever.

[Hooch]

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch

Post by The Reid
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

You sound like a liberal to me.

I probably do to you

Even the BNP sound like liberals to me.

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch
I believe in calling a spade a
spade.

so do I.

Except when referring to spades.

Post by The Reid

Post by Hooch
And the fact that these South London spades don't believe in
insuring their cars puts up premiums for us white people.

No doubt you think the very obvious "spade" usage clever.

No doubt.

[âlant.org]

Post by The Reid
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

Then you should get out of the middle of the road and take a stand on
one side or the other. It's not an easy thing to do but at least then
you only have to watch the traffic coming from one direction and you
get a lot more respect for taking a stand rather than trying to dodge
issues from both sides.

[Hooch]

Post by âlant.org

Post by The Reid
I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

Then you should get out of the middle of the road and take a stand on
one side or the other. It's not an easy thing to do but at least then
you only have to watch the traffic coming from one direction and you
get a lot more respect for taking a stand rather than trying to dodge
issues from both sides.

Well said, that man.

[Frank Clarke]

Post by Hooch
For "South London", "Southwark", "Walworth" etc read "ethnically
diverse".

"Political Correctness" is the absurd notion that it's possible to pick up a
turd from the clean end.


(change Arabic number to Roman numeral to email)

[Hooch]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:25:44 -0500, Frank Clarke

Post by Frank Clarke

Post by Hooch
For "South London", "Southwark", "Walworth" etc read "ethnically
diverse".

"Political Correctness" is the absurd notion that it's possible to pick up a
turd from the clean end.

Yes, but we mustn't blame the ethnically challenged for all of
society's ills.

[Abunazi]

For "South London", "Southwark", "Walworth" etc read " fuckin sarf London mate"

[The Reid]

On 7 Feb 2007 00:53:00 -0800, "5,999,999"

Post by 5,999,999
"The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark

just! Maybe the uninsured drivers probably come from largely the same
disaffected group that are involved in largely drug related gun and
knife crime. Peckham has a real problem, maybe theres hope on the
horizon with the millions being spent on regeneration.

As someone who drives through Peckham regularly I suspect road deaths
could be reduced a bit if people there had a less insane approach to
crossing the main roads

[john doe]

London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of

the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they are
going to be an unsafe driver.

james

[Clive George]

Post by 5,999,999
London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they
are going to be an unsafe driver.

Not necessarily causation - but isn't the correlation pretty high?

clive

[The Reid]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:29:35 -0000, "Clive George"

Post by Clive George

Post by john doe
the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they
are going to be an unsafe driver.

Not necessarily causation - but isn't the correlation pretty high?

probably, of course it may well be like "red cars have more accidents"

[john doe]

Post by Clive George

Post by john doe
the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they
are going to be an unsafe driver.

Not necessarily causation - but isn't the correlation pretty high?

I'm sure it is, but on the odd occasion when i have driven an uninsured
vehicle i have been extra careful, probably in the same way that many people
drive extra carefully on a Saturday morning after a night on the piss.

I'm not defending people who drive without insurance, merely pointing out
that it doesn't automatically make them a bad driver.

to me it seems similar to the view that many on here hold about BMW drivers,
my father has been driving for over 40 yrs and in the mid 80's he owned a 5
series for about a year, do they seriously think that he turned into a
nutter for that short time?

james

[Hooch]

Post by 5,999,999
London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they are
going to be an unsafe driver.

If someone doesn't have insurance (the main purpose of which seems to
be to qualify for road tax) , why would they bother with shit like
MOTs?

[âlant.org]

Post by Hooch

Post by 5,999,999
London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they are
going to be an unsafe driver.

If someone doesn't have insurance (the main purpose of which seems to
be to qualify for road tax) , why would they bother with shit like
MOTs?

People are never more careful than when they are breaking the law.

[Hooch]

Post by âlant.org

Post by Hooch

Post by 5,999,999
London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they are
going to be an unsafe driver.

If someone doesn't have insurance (the main purpose of which seems to
be to qualify for road tax) , why would they bother with shit like
MOTs?

People are never more careful than when they are breaking the law.

Perhaps, but excessive caution can also lead to accidents.