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NotW: CANNABIS DISASTER
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Phil Stovell
2006-08-07 06:59:25 UTC
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<http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml>

CANNABIS DISASTER

By Ian Kirby & Philip Whiteside

RELAXING laws against cannabis has ended in disaster — and caused an
EXPLOSION in hard drugs abuse.

That is the damning verdict of a secret dossier compiled by Tony Blair's
own No10 Strategy Unit.

Their confidential report, seen by the News of the World, reveals how the
government's decision to decriminalise cannabis two years ago has enabled
dealers to wean a flood of new users on to deadly drugs, such as crack
cocaine and heroin.

It says: "The vast majority of local drug dealers will use cannabis as an
easy way of making money and increasing their client base.

Streets

"They will seek to secure more hard drug clients from among that base.

"Recent changes to the law have increased the number of people taking
cannabis. The amount of hard-drug abuse has also increased. Although more
research is needed, it appears the two rises are connected."

The report's findings were confirmed by News of the World investigators,
who discovered our streets are riddled with cannabis dealers. It took just
MINUTES to buy the drug in five cities across the country—and many
pedlars were also pushing hard drugs.

When cannabis was downgraded to a Class C "soft" drug, the government
claimed there was no evidence to suggest its use would encourage people to
try harder drugs. But the new report concludes that almost all "high
harm-causing drug users" (heroin and crack addicts) began by smoking
cannabis.

There are now estimated to be 3.5million regular cannabis users in
Britain—A FIFTH more than in 1997.

In public, the government insists that educating the public about the
dangers of the drug, instead of punishing people for using it, is the only
workable policy.

But privately, the No10 Strategy Unit warn: "Far more drugs are used now
than in the past. The supply market is highly sophisticated and attempts
to intervene have not resulted in sustainable disruption to the market at
any level."

The Downing Street team's cannabis findings are part of a report on the
overall drugs problem. It reveals that it is now EASIER to buy hard drugs
on Britain's streets than ever before.

The report warns 260,000 heroin addicts spend £4 billion a year on the
drug and cause £16 BILLION of crime to fund their drug habits.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis branded the government's drugs policy
was a "total disaster".

He added: "Many continue to think cannabis is a safe, soft drug. They
still wrongly think it is legal.

"And many more young lives will be damaged by the pernicious trade in this
dangerous drug."
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Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather
let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife"
Ollie Clark
2006-08-07 10:19:46 UTC
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Post by Phil Stovell
There are now estimated to be 3.5million regular cannabis users in
Britain?A FIFTH more than in 1997.
They're comparing the figure from 1997 with now. Cannabis was only
downgraded in 2003 and that year the number of users was around 3.4 million.
Tom
2006-08-07 10:36:00 UTC
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Post by Phil Stovell
There are now estimated to be 3.5million regular cannabis users in
Britain?A FIFTH more than in 1997.
They're comparing the figure from 1997 with now. Cannabis was only
downgraded in 2003 and that year the number of users was around 3.4 million.
The only way to remove the cannabis users from the hard drug dealers is
to make cannabis available in licensed establishments like in Holland.
Buying cannabis in coffee shops in Holland does not expose users to
harder drugs so the "push" is not there.

I keep hearing about how damaging cannabis is yet have lived in Holland
and have not witnessed any of the problems that the UK government claim
will come from such a move.
JohnR
2006-08-07 12:40:46 UTC
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Post by Ollie Clark
Post by Phil Stovell
There are now estimated to be 3.5million regular cannabis users in
Britain?A FIFTH more than in 1997.
They're comparing the figure from 1997 with now. Cannabis was only
downgraded in 2003 and that year the number of users was around 3.4 million.
The only way to remove the cannabis users from the hard drug dealers is
to make cannabis available in licensed establishments like in Holland.
Buying cannabis in coffee shops in Holland does not expose users to
harder drugs so the "push" is not there.
I keep hearing about how damaging cannabis is yet have lived in Holland
and have not witnessed any of the problems that the UK government claim
will come from such a move.
That's because they're aware that the only tangible damage will be to their
own credibility (could it get any lower on this topic) and that's why the
drug war insanity is perpetuated.
Jasbird
2006-08-07 14:12:13 UTC
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Post by Phil Stovell
<http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml>
CANNABIS DISASTER
By Ian Kirby & Philip Whiteside
RELAXING laws against cannabis has ended in disaster — and caused an
EXPLOSION in hard drugs abuse.
Shadow Home Secretary David Davis branded the government's drugs policy
was a "total disaster".
He added: "Many continue to think cannabis is a safe, soft drug. They
still wrongly think it is legal.
"And many more young lives will be damaged by the pernicious trade in this
dangerous drug."
Although Cameron himself seems to be a liberal on drug policy Davis'
attitude seems ultra-authoritarian - sort of - "let's try one more time
by adopting the Swedish system". Many people think that Cameron and
David have made a deal which leaves drug policy in Davis's hands
provided that he supports Cameron as shadow PM.


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Nobel-prize winning economist, Gary Becker, says:
legalize drugs, tax them as luxury goods to stop people
using them; it will be as efficient as criminal sanctions in
reducing use but far cheaper and more humane.
<http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/03/the_failure_of.html>
<http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/illegalgoods_Becker_Grossman_Murphy.pdf>
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Jasbird
2006-08-07 15:17:41 UTC
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Post by Phil Stovell
<http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml>
CANNABIS DISASTER
By Ian Kirby & Philip Whiteside
RELAXING laws against cannabis has ended in disaster — and caused an
EXPLOSION in hard drugs abuse.
That is the damning verdict of a secret dossier compiled by Tony Blair's
own No10 Strategy Unit.
Their confidential report, seen by the News of the World, reveals how the
government's decision to decriminalise cannabis two years ago has enabled
dealers to wean a flood of new users on to deadly drugs, such as crack
cocaine and heroin.
That they leaked the report to the NotW rather than the BBC, Guardian or
even the Times, says everything.

It could be that Labour are determined to reclassify cannabis as class
B. If so the recent publication of the ACMD's attack on the
classification system itself is, potentially, a serious blow.

The classification system is fundamental to the 1971 MDAct. The ACMD was
created by that Act for the purposes of fine-tuning the classification
system.

It's important to remember that the Secretary of State can not lay a
draft order before parliament without consulting the ACMD. No
reclassification of cannabis by S.I. seems possible because the ACMD
seem to have rejected the classification system itself. They still seem
sure to reject a reclassification back to B. The last Secretary of State
who tried to push such a reclassification (from C to B) through was
threatened with resignations from some ACMD members.
Post by Phil Stovell
It says: "The vast majority of local drug dealers will use cannabis as an
easy way of making money and increasing their client base.
Another was of saying that cannabis is a "gateway drug" (to hard drugs)
and should be reclassified to B.

What sense would it make to reclassify cannabis when the government
itself (and the opposition) believe that the classification system is
meaningless and doesn't prevent people trying drugs. i.e. a druggie is
not MORE deterred from trying an illegal class A than class C drugs.
Druggies just want the drug they want - and don't notice the class - nor
do they notice that the A classes have stiffer criminal penalties
attached to them.

I have to admit the leaking of this report confuses me. Why would the
government leak a report which contains only bad news for them and gives
the press and opposition a hammer with which to nail the them?

Most likely answer is Labour haven't a clue what they're doing.


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Nobel-prize winning economist, Gary Becker, says:
legalize drugs, tax them as luxury goods to stop people
using them; it will be as efficient as criminal sanctions in
reducing use but far cheaper and more humane.
<http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/03/the_failure_of.html>
<http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/illegalgoods_Becker_Grossman_Murphy.pdf>
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Phil Stovell
2006-08-07 15:43:17 UTC
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Post by Jasbird
I have to admit the leaking of this report confuses me.
Is the text of this report posted anywhere?
--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather
let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife"
Jasbird
2006-08-07 16:05:15 UTC
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Post by Jasbird
I have to admit the leaking of this report confuses me.
Is the text of this report posted anywhere?
I doubt it. If the NotW actually have a copy it may leak out to the rest
of the press today and tomorrow - after they've had their "exclusive".
The Guardian are the most likely to publish it if they get it. There's
even a section on the Guardian site advising one how to apply for
information under the freedom of information act. Sometimes the press
just leak what they're "confidentially" told about a report on hearsay;
often in collusion with the government. That's one way the government
have of testing the political waters.

I'm confused because I can't figure out why the government should leak
details when it's not to their advantage - nor can I see why anyone
working on the report should want to talk to the Daily Mail or NotW.
Policy wonks take their work seriously and I imagine the last thing they
need is the hysterical press hyping up minor details whilst ignoring the
important points in the report!

There seems to be nothing politically advantageous to the government in
leaking crime or drugs data to the hang 'em 'n' flog 'em brigade. Reid
has surely learnt by now that those people have an insatiable appetite
for law and order and flagellation. More law and order doesn't
necessarily "cure" the disorder problem - especially when its a drugs
disorder.


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Nobel-prize winning economist, Gary Becker, says:
legalize drugs, tax them as luxury goods to stop people
using them; it will be as efficient as criminal sanctions in
reducing use but far cheaper and more humane.
<http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/03/the_failure_of.html>
<http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/illegalgoods_Becker_Grossman_Murphy.pdf>
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Phil Stovell
2006-08-07 18:50:00 UTC
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Is the text of this report posted anywhere?
I'm too polite. What I really meant was "does it exist?".
--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather
let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife"
Sla#s
2006-08-07 19:33:11 UTC
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Post by Phil Stovell
Is the text of this report posted anywhere?
I'm too polite. What I really meant was "does it exist?".
My thoughts too!

Slatts
Jasbird
2006-08-08 10:22:38 UTC
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*Date:* Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:17:41 GMT
Post by Phil Stovell
<http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml>
CANNABIS DISASTER
By Ian Kirby & Philip Whiteside
RELAXING laws against cannabis has ended in disaster - and caused
an EXPLOSION in hard drugs abuse.
That is the damning verdict of a secret dossier compiled by Tony
Blair's own No10 Strategy Unit.
Their confidential report, seen by the News of the World, reveals
how the government's decision to decriminalise cannabis two
years ago has enabled dealers to wean a flood of new users on
to deadly drugs, such as crack cocaine and heroin.
That they leaked the report to the NotW rather than the BBC, Guardian
or even the Times, says everything.
It tells you something about the likely rank of the leaker (if there
ever was such a thing!)
I think it indicates basic disagreement with government policy (from the
quality media: Times, Independent, Guardian). Many people in the media
are no longer prepared to peddle the lies told by the government over
drugs policy. Only papers like the Daily Mail and the NotW can still be
relied upon to peddle the old myth that the media are there to "send out
a message" that drug use is harmful.

<http://politicsofsin.50megs.com/myth/index.html>
<http://www.beckleyfoundation.org/seminar/Proceedings4/mark_kleiman.PDF>
(see the very end of this PDF or read the extract at my Politics Of Sin
site.)

The prohibitionist premise - "send out a message that drug use is
harmful" - is under fire in the UK but still widely held to in the USA.

For instance:
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,,1837827,00.html>

Colin Blakemore believes that:
"deliberate misrepresentation or exaggerated presentation
of risk is likely to do more harm than good."
<http://www.maps.org/mdma/retraction/scientist091603.html>

... because the (drug using) public realise they have been lied
to they will no longer trust any health warnings over drugs.
I have to admit the leaking of this report confuses me. Why would
the government leak a report which contains only bad news for
them and gives the press and opposition a hammer with which to
nail the them?
At first I was confused by this story. I couldn't see the advantage for
the government one way or the other. Then I realised that this is
actually a briefing by the PM's office against the ACMD and other
so-called liberals who prefer to tell the truth about drugs rather than
following the party line which is to "send out the right message".
Jasbird
2006-08-07 15:45:24 UTC
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<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=399369&in_page_id=1770>

Cannabis law is boosting hard drug use

Daily Mail - 23:21pm 6th August 2006

Cannabis use has soared since Labour relaxed the law on the drug, a
leaked Downing Street report has admitted.

The reclassification has also led to a surge in hard drug use - with
teenagers tempted into taking cannabis and moving on to heroin and crack
cocaine.

The findings by Tony Blair's strategy unit are devastating for the
Government.

Ministers insisted that downgrading cannabis from Class B to C in
January 2004 would not increase its use.

But the confidential report by Number 10 officials confirms that the
critics, led by the Daily Mail, were right all along.

It says: 'Recent changes to the law have increased the number of people
taking cannabis. The amount of hard drug abuse has also increased. It
appears the two rises are connected.' The document says business is

booming for drug dealers, who use cannabis to increase their 'client
base', then try to turn customers to hard drugs.

Almost all heroin and crack addicts began by smoking cannabis, the
report adds.

There are an estimated 3.5million regular cannabis users - up 20 per
cent since Labour came to power.

The report, leaked to the News of the World, also admitted that attempts
to cut drug consumption have failed.

It says: 'Far more drugs are used now than in the past. The supply
market is highly sophisticated and attempts to intervene have not
resulted in sustainable disruption.'

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: 'This is a consequence of the
Government's chaotic and confused policy which has led many people to
think it is OK to take cannabis.

'We have consistently warned that cannabis is a major gateway to harder
drugs - their failure is condemning a whole generation to the

misery of drugs.' Marjorie Wallace, chief executive of the mental health
charity SANE, said: 'It is sad that the Government did not listen to the
very clear warnings about the dangers of downgrading cannabis.

'It is a substance which can devastate the minds of those vulnerable to
its toxic effects. They risk lifelong mental illness.'

Downing Street said it would not comment on a leaked document. The Home
Office said it investigated the case for putting cannabis back in Class
B, but this was ruled out by the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
in January.

A spokesman said: 'This decision is supported by the police and most
drug and mental health charities.'

* BEFORE it was downgraded, anybody caught possessing cannabis was
liable to be arrested. Punishments ranged from a caution through to a
fine or a maximum of five years imprisonment.

It is still illegal to possess cannabis, with a maximum sentence of two
years. But adults will almost always be let off with an instant warning,
which is recorded at the local police station but does not count as a
criminal record.

Under-18s should still be arrested and given an official warning, the
equivalent of a formal caution for an adult and counting on a criminal
record.


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Nobel-prize winning economist, Gary Becker, says:
legalize drugs, tax them as luxury goods to stop people
using them; it will be as efficient as criminal sanctions in
reducing use but far cheaper and more humane.
<http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/03/the_failure_of.html>
<http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/illegalgoods_Becker_Grossman_Murphy.pdf>
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Jasbird
2006-08-07 16:26:42 UTC
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Cannabis law is boosting hard drug use
Daily Mail - 23:21pm 6th August 2006
Cannabis use has soared since Labour relaxed the law on the drug, a
leaked Downing Street report has admitted.
The reclassification has also led to a surge in hard drug use - with
teenagers tempted into taking cannabis and moving on to heroin and crack
cocaine.
The findings by Tony Blair's strategy unit are devastating for the
Government.
Help - I'm a fuckin' idiot. It's Blair's people not Reid's!

Naturally I assume that stats on crime originate from the Home Office -
as you do. But Blair - power crazed junky that he is - doesn't trust the
Home Office one little bit by now (or does he? - see Scenario B below).
Post by Jasbird
Ministers insisted that downgrading cannabis from Class B to C in
January 2004 would not increase its use.
But the confidential report by Number 10 officials confirms that the
critics, led by the Daily Mail, were right all along.
It says: 'Recent changes to the law have increased the number of people
taking cannabis. The amount of hard drug abuse has also increased. It
appears the two rises are connected.' The document says business is
booming for drug dealers, who use cannabis to increase their 'client
base', then try to turn customers to hard drugs.
Almost all heroin and crack addicts began by smoking cannabis, the
report adds.
There are an estimated 3.5million regular cannabis users - up 20 per
cent since Labour came to power.
The report, leaked to the News of the World, also admitted that attempts
to cut drug consumption have failed.
It says: 'Far more drugs are used now than in the past. The supply
market is highly sophisticated and attempts to intervene have not
resulted in sustainable disruption.'
Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: 'This is a consequence of the
Government's chaotic and confused policy which has led many people to
think it is OK to take cannabis.
'We have consistently warned that cannabis is a major gateway to harder
drugs - their failure is condemning a whole generation to the
misery of drugs.' Marjorie Wallace, chief executive of the mental health
charity SANE, said: 'It is sad that the Government did not listen to the
very clear warnings about the dangers of downgrading cannabis.
'It is a substance which can devastate the minds of those vulnerable to
its toxic effects. They risk lifelong mental illness.'
Downing Street said it would not comment on a leaked document. The Home
Office said it investigated the case for putting cannabis back in Class
B, but this was ruled out by the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
in January.
Scenario A.

It looks like Blair is entirely out of the loop on drugs policy - like
some Martian looking in on Earth:

Reid is supposed to be a Blairite - but Blair doesn't trust Reid to get
the policy right.

Reading between the lines it seems that Blair's mob want cannabis
reclassified from C to B. Meanwhile - back in the real world - Reid has
to make some kind of sense out of this.

They can not scrap the ACMD. That would mean writing a new drugs bill
which entirely does away with scientific advice. Impossible.

So if Scenario A is wrong then what's going on?

Scenario B

The ACMD release a report calling for the abolition of the A,B,C-
classification system:
<http://www.sharemation.com/Rubin/clarke/Science.Tech.Report.2006-app14.html>
(and refuse to OK the reclassification of cannabis as class B)

- Reid can't directly attack the ACMD so the attack comes via a proxy -
Blair's mob!

The government don't counter attack from the obvious direction (the Home
Office) but launch a leak from No. 10 itself to put the ACMD back in its
place - by blaming the ACMD for a "surge in hard drug use - with
teenagers ... moving on to heroin and crack cocaine."

No need for Tony to say: "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?" -
times are a lot more sophisticated now. Machiavelli, Pareto, Vico and
neo-cons everywhere - eat your heart out - our Tony's on the ball.


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Nobel-prize winning economist, Gary Becker, says:
legalize drugs, tax them as luxury goods to stop people
using them; it will be as efficient as criminal sanctions in
reducing use but far cheaper and more humane.
<http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/03/the_failure_of.html>
<http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/illegalgoods_Becker_Grossman_Murphy.pdf>
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Jasbird
2006-08-07 17:18:06 UTC
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Post by Jasbird
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Cannabis law is boosting hard drug use
Daily Mail - 23:21pm 6th August 2006
Cannabis use has soared since Labour relaxed the law on the drug, a
leaked Downing Street report has admitted.
So if Scenario A is wrong then what's going on?
Scenario B
The ACMD release a report calling for the abolition of the A,B,C-
<http://www.sharemation.com/Rubin/clarke/Science.Tech.Report.2006-app14.html>
(and refuse to OK the reclassification of cannabis as class B)
- Reid can't directly attack the ACMD so the attack comes via a proxy -
Blair's mob!
The government don't counter attack from the obvious direction (the Home
Office) but launch a leak from No. 10 itself to put the ACMD back in its
place - by blaming the ACMD for a "surge in hard drug use - with
teenagers ... moving on to heroin and crack cocaine."
No need for Tony to say: "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?" -
times are a lot more sophisticated now. Machiavelli, Pareto, Vico and
neo-cons everywhere - eat your heart out - our Tony's on the ball.
Scenario B is correct.

This was deliberately leaked by Blair's mob to put the ACMD back in its
place for daring to contradict government drugs policy - that the
purpose of the drugs laws is to "send a message" that drug use is
harmful.

Note that the supposed new crime figures have been well-known for over 2
weeks (i.e. there is no dramatically new data - only dramatically old
spin - a leopard can't change its spots - Blair is addicted to spinning
via so-called "leaks" and unofficial briefings):

See:
<http://express.lineone.net/news_detail.html?sku=223>
Blair breaks his promise to make our streets safe
20/07/06

quote:
His Government’s soft stance on cannabis, which was
downgraded to Class C in 2004, has fuelled fears of an
epidemic. Possession of the drug soared by 36 per cent
last year to 119,922, compared to 88,056 in 2004/05.


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Nobel-prize winning economist, Gary Becker, says:
legalize drugs, tax them as luxury goods to stop people
using them; it will be as efficient as criminal sanctions in
reducing use but far cheaper and more humane.
<http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/03/the_failure_of.html>
<http://home.uchicago.edu/~gbecker/illegalgoods_Becker_Grossman_Murphy.pdf>
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Phil Stovell
2006-08-07 19:03:40 UTC
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His Government’s soft stance on cannabis, which was downgraded to Class
C in 2004, has fuelled fears of an epidemic. Possession of the drug
soared by 36 per cent last year to 119,922, compared to 88,056 in
2004/05.
What does the British crime Survey say? The last one had a reduction of
admitted cannabis use.

Does this include warnings? When class B I know of several people whose
cannabis "crimes" were deliberately ignored by the police. Perhaps they
would now get a warning, and thus crime solved (easier than catching
burglars).
--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather
let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife"
Ollie Clark
2006-08-08 09:00:40 UTC
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Post by Phil Stovell
His Government’s soft stance on cannabis, which was downgraded to Class
C in 2004, has fuelled fears of an epidemic. Possession of the drug
soared by 36 per cent last year to 119,922, compared to 88,056 in
2004/05.
What does the British crime Survey say? The last one had a reduction of
admitted cannabis use.
Just before reclassification, there were 3.4 million cannabis users. Then
the use by young people dropped slightly. Now it seems there are 3.5 million
cannabis users. This is a much smaller rise than has been common in the last
ten years. Purely from the figures given it would seem that reclassifying
cannabis has caused the increase in use to slow down. Personally, I would
think it hasn't made any difference whatsoever. What it definitely hasn't
done is increase cannabis use as the NotW would have people believe.
Post by Phil Stovell
Does this include warnings? When class B I know of several people whose
cannabis "crimes" were deliberately ignored by the police. Perhaps they
would now get a warning, and thus crime solved (easier than catching
burglars).
Surely not. The police would only be interested in doing what's most useful,
not just improving their clear up rate.
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