Armed Met Cop goes berserk....

[Mr X]

Sun man's gunpoint ordeal
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006540329,00.html

More here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006540477,00.html

By ANTHONY FRANCE
Crime Reporter
NOVEMBER 22, 2006

SUN man Scott Hornby told last night how Royal protection cop Paul Page
held a gun to his head after a dramatic chase.

The astonishing clash came after we went to interview the cop about
allegations he lost £1.3million of his colleagues’ cash in a failed
venture.

Page followed photographer Scott in his Ford Escort then shunted his car
in a showdown that ended with him being forced off the road.

The Scotland Yard SO14 officer, currently on a career break, pressed a
hand gun into the back of Scott's head, then frogmarched him to a
roundabout.

Scott, 28, said the drama began as he drove away from PC Page's home in
Chafford Hundred, Essex. He said:

I noticed a silver car following me. I did a few turns but it was still
on my tail, so I headed towards the M25.

It was then that he overtook me, stopped in the road and rammed the
front of my car. There was a loud smash as the two cars collided. I
struggled to keep on the road.

I drove for a short distance and he rammed me again. This time I lost
control.

It was then that he ran out of his car with a gun in his hand. He kicked
my door, pulled it open and dragged me out, screaming and shouting: "Who
the f*** are you".

I said: "I'm a Sun photographer."

He held me on the ground with the gun to my head. After a few minutes,
he marched me towards the roundabout with the gun at my head.

When we got there some gardeners were tending the plot. I asked him to
show ID but he refused.

The gardeners asked him to prove he was an officer but he again refused
saying: "I haven't got any ID on me."

At no time did he say he was a police officer. PC Page was arrested by
armed officers who arrived in a blue people carrier carrying automatic
weapons.

Four other cars, some with plain clothes police turned up seconds later.

Page, 35, was last night being held on suspicion of possessing a firearm
with intent to endanger life after the incident near Lakeside shopping
centre, Essex.

He has guarded the Queen and Royal Family at Buckingham and St James's
Palaces for five years.

He is the subject of a separate police internal inquiry over £1.3million
provided by his colleagues to a venture that collapsed.

More than 150 Met officers had invested in Page's property firm set up
during a "career break" he began last Spring. But the company folded and
officers lost out.

The Met's Professional Standards Directorate is investigating his
property deals after Docklands-based United Land & Property Developments
Limited dissolved in May.

Page, who earns £40,000 a year, lives with wife Laura and four sons aged
two to 11 in a £400,000 executive home.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "The Director of Professional Standards
is currently engaged in an examination of the financial dealings of a
serving Met police officer."

"The investigation is an early stage and remains ongoing. The officer
concerned is on a career break."

"Obviously in the light of today's incident, the Director will be
liaising with our colleagues in Essex Police."
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You just couldn't make it up!

"Career Break"......?
£400,000 house....
£50,000 Porsche and £60,000 Range Rover Sport on his drive...

What the hell is going on?

We are always being told how "highly-trained", and "disciplined" these
armed officers are. Clearly not the case at all. Just look at how the
twat dresses...

So if this officer, as part of his armed duties, shot somebody dead by
mistake, could we rely on this officer to tell the truth?

And I tend to think if his victim had not been a Sun reporter but an
ordinary member of the public this would have all been hushed up.

[Gun Woman]

Post by Mr X
Sun man's gunpoint ordeal
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006540329,00.html

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Post by Mr X
And I tend to think if his victim had not been a Sun reporter but an
ordinary member of the public this would have all been hushed up.

The whole country must suffer mad cow.

The british are coming! http://www.webshots.com/g/d2006/11-nw/62832.html

[milou]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:22:12 -0600, Gun Woman

Post by Mr X
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Post by Mr X
And I tend to think if his victim had not been a Sun reporter but an
ordinary member of the public this would have all been hushed up.

Sun reporter " a victim " ?
Good.

[Janice]

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Post by Mr X
Sun man's gunpoint ordeal
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006540329,00.html

...

Post by Mr X
And I tend to think if his victim had not been a Sun reporter but an
ordinary member of the public this would have all been hushed up.

Sun reporter " a victim " ?
Good.

Why's that?

[milou]

Post by Janice

Post by milou
Sun reporter " a victim " ?
Good.

Why's that?

I take it you either work for the Sun or you are a liflelong Sun
reader

[Abunazi]

Post by milou
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:22:12 -0600, Gun Woman

Post by Mr X
Sun man's gunpoint ordeal
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006540329,00.html

...

Post by Mr X
And I tend to think if his victim had not been a Sun reporter but an
ordinary member of the public this would have all been hushed up.

Sun reporter " a victim " ?
Good.

Not a reporter. "paparazzi". Even better.

[Kim Bolton]

Post by Mr X
You just couldn't make it up!
"Career Break"......?

Are firearms officers on 'career breaks' allowed to keep their
firearms?

It seems a strange concession.

[Alex Heney]

Post by Kim Bolton

Post by Mr X
You just couldn't make it up!
"Career Break"......?

Are firearms officers on 'career breaks' allowed to keep their
firearms?
It seems a strange concession.

They do not normally have force firearms at all.

They are issued for specific situations.

This must have been held illegally, unless it was a replica.

I would hope this particular officer is looking at a few years inside
- probably in a secure mental hospital rather than a prison.

[Mr X]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Kim Bolton

Post by Mr X
You just couldn't make it up!
"Career Break"......?

Are firearms officers on 'career breaks' allowed to keep their
firearms?
It seems a strange concession.

They do not normally have force firearms at all.
They are issued for specific situations.
This must have been held illegally, unless it was a replica.
I would hope this particular officer is looking at a few years inside
- probably in a secure mental hospital rather than a prison.

Mental hospital?

That sounds like a cop "retiring on grounds of sickness with a full
pension" job to me!

[Alex Heney]

Post by Mr X

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Kim Bolton

Post by Mr X
You just couldn't make it up!
"Career Break"......?

Are firearms officers on 'career breaks' allowed to keep their
firearms?
It seems a strange concession.

They do not normally have force firearms at all.
They are issued for specific situations.
This must have been held illegally, unless it was a replica.
I would hope this particular officer is looking at a few years inside
- probably in a secure mental hospital rather than a prison.

Mental hospital?
That sounds like a cop "retiring on grounds of sickness with a full
pension" job to me!

Nobody acts the way he did unless there is something wrong with their
mind (whether temporary or permanent).

Note I did say "secure" mental hospital.

[Mr X]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Mr X
That sounds like a cop "retiring on grounds of sickness with a full
pension" job to me!

Nobody acts the way he did unless there is something wrong with their
mind (whether temporary or permanent).

Yes, exactly. I agree!

He's a sick man caused by the unrelenting pressures of being the "creme-
de-la-creme" of policemen. The training, the discipline, the strain of
having his finger on the trigger, the endless hours putting his life in
danger, his selfless dedication to duty and to her majesty, and to the
public. He must surely deserve to retire on the sick and on a full
pension. You wouldn't deny him that, would you?

Reading between the lines -- the company he was involved in goes down
with £1.3million of his colleagues money, he's got £100 grand's worth of
motors on his drive of his £400,000 house (must be a BIG mortgage unless
he paid in cash) -- the press are all over him, his police bosses are
all over him -- I'd say he might just be a little bit stressed.

But he's a trained firearms officer -- they can take the heat, can't
they...

[Clough]

Post by Alex Heney
Nobody acts the way he did unless there is something wrong with their
mind (whether temporary or permanent).

So, let us say for example that a gang of youths grab a child from a
car and hold a gun to the childs head, perhaps a sick child with
cancer, and steal the car from the childs mother, then said youths
must have something wrong with their minds and should be sent to
hospital rather than prison?

Clough

[Alex Heney]

Post by Clough

Post by Alex Heney
Nobody acts the way he did unless there is something wrong with their
mind (whether temporary or permanent).

So, let us say for example that a gang of youths grab a child from a
car and hold a gun to the childs head, perhaps a sick child with
cancer, and steal the car from the childs mother, then said youths
must have something wrong with their minds and should be sent to
hospital rather than prison?

Not necessarily.

The only similarity between what you are talking about and the
incident under discussion is the presence of a gun.

[Ms My Rights]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Kim Bolton

Post by Mr X
You just couldn't make it up!
"Career Break"......?

Are firearms officers on 'career breaks' allowed to keep their
firearms?
It seems a strange concession.

They do not normally have force firearms at all.
They are issued for specific situations.
This must have been held illegally, unless it was a replica.
I would hope this particular officer is looking at a few years inside
- probably in a secure mental hospital rather than a prison.

How appalling that you don't allow your police to be armed normally.

[Mr X]

Post by Kim Bolton

Post by Mr X
You just couldn't make it up!
"Career Break"......?

Are firearms officers on 'career breaks' allowed to keep their
firearms?

He did have a gun.

Kev told us all police guns (and ammunition) were very strictly
controlled and accounted for.

Post by Kim Bolton
It seems a strange concession.

And do they get paid during the "career break"? What about their pension
contributions?

Nice work if you can get it.

[William Black]

Post by Mr X
And do they get paid during the "career break"?

Nope. No public servants do.

Most are able to take a 'year out' without pay.

Some are able to go to university for a year with pay, but only to do a
course that is relavant to their job and obnly if they're more than a decade
from retirement age.


What about their pension

Post by Mr X
contributions?

They don't get paid.

Police pensions are in the form of 'superanuation' and are deducted from
pay. If they don't get paid...

[Janice]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:16:02 -0600, Mr X wrote:

How do tossers like him get employed by the police in the first place?

[Mr X]

Post by Janice
How do tossers like him get employed by the police in the first place?

Like follows like?

[Ms My Rights]

Post by Mr X

Post by Janice
How do tossers like him get employed by the police in the first place?

Like follows like?

What's a tosser?

[milou]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:05:52 -0600, Ms My Rights

Post by Ms My Rights

Post by Mr X

Post by Janice
How do tossers like him get employed by the police in the first place?

Like follows like?

What's a tosser?

Someone with a silly sig

[joe]

Post by Ms My Rights

Post by Mr X

Post by Janice
How do tossers like him get employed by the police in the first place?

Like follows like?

What's a tosser?

A wanker.

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[Mr X]

|| What the hell is going on?
||
|| We are always being told how "highly-trained", and "disciplined"
|| these armed officers are. Clearly not the case at all. Just look at
|| how the twat dresses...
If, and I must stress *if* this incident happened, which I very much doubt,

LOL. None are so blind as those who will not see...

The BBC doesn't:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6172258.stm
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Met officer arrested over firearm

A 35-year-old Metropolitan Police officer has been arrested on suspicion
of possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life.

The arrest on Tuesday came after an incident in West Thurrock, Essex,
involving a newspaper photographer, an Essex Police spokeswoman said.

The arrested man is in custody at Grays police station, she added.

The Met said he was on a career break from special operations and is
thought to be a royal protection officer.

The Met Police spokeswoman also said that the police director of
professional standards was looking into the officer's financial affairs.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

So according to you the BBC and The Sun have fabricated this story...

then it only shows that one out of many hundreds of highly trained and
disciplined officers appears to have let the side down. The 'bad apple', as
it were!

LOL Chortle... Yes, right

Kev, our resident police apologist, is forever telling us how highly
trained, how highly skilled, how highly disciplined and stable these
armed officers are. How they are the "creme-de-la-creme" of policing,
selflessly dedicating their lives to protecting and serving the public,
putting themselves in danger.

|| So if this officer, as part of his armed duties, shot somebody dead
|| by mistake, could we rely on this officer to tell the truth?
What would he or any other officer have to gain by lying?

Why would an armed officer behave like this madman has?

A fully
Independent (tm) inquiry would soon establish his guilt, followed by a
speedy and fair trial!
|| And I tend to think if his victim had not been a Sun reporter but an
|| ordinary member of the public this would have all been hushed up.
Well this is the crux of the matter isn't it, the Sun, not exactly the gold
standard of unbiased reporting.

Name any media organisation who is the "gold standard of unbiased
reporting". Just one will do.

I'm sure the reporter will have an axe to
grind, he was probably done for speeding. I'll reserve judgement until the
IPCC report or the Daily Mail one, depending on the findings!

LOL What planet are you on?

As for your thread title, istm what you are saying is that you don't want
police officers to carry or use firearms under any circumstances whatsoever!

More supposition and incorrect extrapolation

I said "Armed Met Cop goes berserk" and given the circumstances reported
that is a very apt and accurate characterisation.

[Mike]

Post by Mr X
Why would an armed officer behave like this madman has?

Because they genuinely believe themselves to be above the law?

This case is so extreme that the policeman is unlikely to get away
with it but I can well believe that that they generally (and with good
reason) believe themselves to be an untouchable elite who can do
almost anything they like.

Mike.

[Mr X]

Post by Mike

Post by Mr X
Why would an armed officer behave like this madman has?

Because they genuinely believe themselves to be above the law?

Exactly. Difficult to think of any other explanation.

Post by Mike
This case is so extreme that the policeman is unlikely to get away
with it but I can well believe that that they generally (and with good
reason) believe themselves to be an untouchable elite who can do
almost anything they like.

I believe he would have got away with it had he not had the bad luck of
picking on a Sun reporter, and attracting the attention of members of
the public who dialled 999, thereby ensuring he was very rapidly
overtaken by events.

[Periander]

Mr X <***@scanmaster.co.uk> wrote in news:***@privacy.net:

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Post by Mr X
I believe he would have got away with it had he not had the bad luck of
picking on a Sun reporter, and attracting the attention of members of
the public who dialled 999, thereby ensuring he was very rapidly
overtaken by events.

I appreciate that higher brain functions are often absent from many of the
posters on this group but one question that hasn't yet been asked arises
from this incident. It's simply this, how do you suppose was Essex in a
position to and able to deploy so many armed officers so quickly to effect
the person's arrest?

". PC Page was arrested by armed officers who arrived in a blue people
carrier carrying automatic weapons.

Four other cars, some with plain clothes police turned up seconds later."

I note that you also pay little attention to the fact that this person was
already suspended and the subject of investigation - not as a result of any
complaint by a member of the public but because the DPS were vigilant in
executing their duties.

[joe]

Post by Periander
I appreciate that higher brain functions are often absent from many
of the posters on this group but one question that hasn't yet been

I always thought it was a sign of poor people management, and poor
debating skills, to start off with an insult using a blunderbus.

--

[Mr X]

Post by Periander
I appreciate that higher brain functions are often absent from many of the
posters on this group but one question that hasn't yet been asked arises
from this incident. It's simply this, how do you suppose was Essex in a
position to and able to deploy so many armed officers so quickly to effect
the person's arrest?
". PC Page was arrested by armed officers who arrived in a blue people
carrier carrying automatic weapons.
Four other cars, some with plain clothes police turned up seconds later."

I'm very thick. Tell me why that was...

Post by Periander
I note that you also pay little attention to the fact that this person was
already suspended and the subject of investigation - not as a result of any
complaint by a member of the public but because the DPS were vigilant in
executing their duties.

Eh? How is that relevant to the episode/incident under discussion where
members of the public did dial 999?

[Periander]

Post by Mr X

Post by Periander
I appreciate that higher brain functions are often absent from many of
the posters on this group but one question that hasn't yet been asked
arises from this incident. It's simply this, how do you suppose was
Essex in a position to and able to deploy so many armed officers so
quickly to effect the person's arrest?
". PC Page was arrested by armed officers who arrived in a blue people
carrier carrying automatic weapons.
Four other cars, some with plain clothes police turned up seconds later."

I'm very thick.

That’s very perceptive of you, perhaps you aren’t as thick as you think. As
to the rest well perhaps I was unkind and you do have a little promise
after all. Try a home study course focusing on deductive reasoning.